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Mon, Apr 4, 2016 12:00 AM

Starhub IPTV and LAN point

Hi,

 

Previously i used to place my router next to my TV cause my TV point and LAN point are at the same place (living room).

 

2 days ago, the Starhub engineer came to install a new IPTV box, and told me that this requires the LAN point. This causes my router to have no LAN point, and have to be relocated to guest room, and I have very bad internet signal in living room/master bedroom.

 

What can be done on this? I need the router to be in the living room.

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Tomaz

Respected Advisor

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61 Messages

5 y ago

Very Simple!

Ask Starhub to supply you with Cable TV Box instead of Fibre TV Box!

Which means the TV box uses the Cable point to watch Cable TV programmes!

In this way, your wifi signal will not be shared with TV box! Enjoy Stronger wifi Signal!

You will have an extra lan port to spare!

 

WinstonK

Honored Contributor

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25 Messages

5 y ago

Starhub IPTV is for those who like me, wire up the whole house with Cat 6 structured LAN cable.

If you didn't do this, then stick to Cable TV

CF Ting

Esteemed Contributor

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18 Messages

5 y ago

my house is wired.

thing is LAN point in living room only prepared one. i didnt expect that i would require 2 points.

point is, i want my tv and router to be at the same spot.
WinstonK

Honored Contributor

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25 Messages

5 y ago

Look at this diagram and you will know cannot connect thru router cos the router is for Fibre broadband

 

http://www.starhub.com/personal/tv/set-top-boxes/fibre-tv.html

eric3743

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4.4K Messages

5 y ago

Hi  @CF Ting

 

The IPTV can connect to the router ports (std 4 ports).

May not nec to connect directly to ONT (modem).

Then you still have router beside the TV, no issue.

 

Did a search on "IPTV connection".

 

Refer to "Image for IPTV connection"

It show modem/router, which could mean ONT -> Router -> IPTV box, pc/laptop, etc.

 

 

 

eric3743

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4.4K Messages

5 y ago

Thanks for highlight.

May you share how your current setup is.

 

 

 

This is what i know about Terminal Point (TP) in the past during and from OpenNet period.

 

When they put the TP in my "previous" flat was many years ago when this project started.

Upon OpenNet on doing this TP, i did asked them if i want to  extend the fibre connection.

The technicians told me that it is possible.

He explained that inside the TP, there are 2 ports.

The 2nd port can be connected thru 1st port.

This means that using the 2nd port, do a wiring to another data point, say, in the bedroom.

That is both 1st and 2nd ports of TP is shared.

This is nothing to do with having 2 fibre broadband connections.

But it is just 1 fibre broadband connections, but can split into 2 ports available in the TP to another data point.

 

Then about 3 years ago when NetLink Trust was doing it at my current location.

They tend to avoid my question about the 2nd port or sharing the 2nd port thru 1st port (as primary connection).

 

 

 

I did not reliase it, until you mentioned it and then i remember what OpenNet had said and explained to me.

I did assumed that Starhub may be using the 2nd port of TP to connect for IPTV.

This is like making sure you are subscribe to fibre broadband.

Instead of using the TP 2nd port to fully utilised for IPTV.

 

In this way, it seem that Starhub avoid the issue on the 2nd port connection charges &or fees by NLT.

It is kind of weird that IPTV must use direct TP port in order to works.

This is a serious flaw in this setup.

All along i assumed that with fibre connection, IPTV can use any LAN ports of router.

This is why fibre broadband is necessary, to my understanding.

There is no mentioned on that IPTV must use that TP port alone...

Disappointed..

CF Ting

Esteemed Contributor

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18 Messages

5 y ago

right, so does that mean, the IPTV have to directly connect to port 2 of the ONT?

 

i've actually bought another asus router, and hoping that my dlink can be a 'bridge'?

 

TP > ONT (port 1) > DLINK (wan) > 4 wall switches > these switches link to 4 different points in the house. so 1 in the living hall will connect to ASUS (WAN), then LAN port 1 to IPTV?

 

do you think it'll work?

 

the link provided by Winston, there's an option of "Multiple set-top boxes set-up" , will that work based on the above?

WinstonK

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25 Messages

5 y ago

To make it simple, these are my current configuration

I wire up my house with Cat 6 cables with 2 x LAN port in each bedroom and living room

My living room 2 x LAN (D1 & D2) ports are near my TV console (as I foresee IPTV need it)

All my LAN port cables terminate in a utility box where my Fibre TP also located and all the cables are label accordingly

 

So if I use SH IPTV, I just need to connect D2 cable to the ONT port 2 in the utility box and the IPTV set-top box near the TV console just connect to the D2 LAN port using a cat 6 cable

 

If I also need IPTV in my bedroom, I just put the IP switch in the utility box and connect accordingly

 

If you have these same configuration as me, then by all mean switch to IPTV.

If not I think its better to continue using cable TV

Even I also lazy to switch to IPTV since cable set-top box serve me well Smiley Tongue

WinstonK

Honored Contributor

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25 Messages

5 y ago

I think for IPTV, if want to connect it through router, I guess the router must support multicast routing and may need other configuration setting on such router

I do not have SH IPTV so I can't test it but definitely not as easy as plug and play on the router.

This is why SH recommend to connect it directly from ONT to the IPTV set-top box

 

As for multiple IPTV set-top box, if you look carefully at the diagram, there is a IP switch and each IPTV set-top box will connect via this switch.

TP -> ONT -> IP Switch -> multiple IPTV set-top box

I guess this switch is some kind of a 'managed' switch (not those $30-$40 4-8 ports unmanaged switch u buy in Sim Lim) that can support IGMP snooping and so this switch also need some kind of configuration

 

Basically, I think connect IPTV thru router not say impossible. I believe some routers maybe can support it and need to manually configure it

 

 

CF Ting

Esteemed Contributor

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18 Messages

5 y ago

i guess, per Winston has said, need some manual config and thats way too technical for me.

 

so in a way, i have to suck it up? sigh.

 

i went to buy another router thinking that everything can be linked via ONT port 1. haha. wasted my money zz.

 

thanks Winston for your replies. appreciate it.

 

edit: just to let u see to have an idea what im referring to, pls see attached image.CF wifi layout.jpg

WinstonK

Honored Contributor

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25 Messages

5 y ago

Your purposed setup won't work cos one router can only accept one source input. You can't have 2 ports from ONT connect to the same router as most consumer router only have 1 x WAN port

 

There are dual WAN router for business user but even so the 2nd WAN port of such router are more for failover (one connection down, the other straight away pickup the connection)

CF Ting

Esteemed Contributor

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18 Messages

5 y ago

i see. thank you Winston.

 

i've asked a few friends of mine that are working in the IT field, all told me the same thing as u, on the WAN port.

 

issue is still because of ONT port 2 is being used for fibre TV.

 

oh well, nothing can be done.

 

appreciate all your responses, thanks again.

WinstonK

Honored Contributor

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25 Messages

5 y ago

CF Ting, if you really want IPTV, not say totally cannot work for you

You can use Powerline Ethernet adapters

 

I believe near your ONT will have power outlet/socket (your ONT need to connect to power outlet for power right?)

Just buy 1 pair of powerline ethernet adapters. One connect to the power outlet near your ONT, the other connect to the power outlet near your TV console

ONT port 2 -> powerline adapter

IPTV set-top box -> powerline adapter near TV console

Your IPTV set-top box near TV console can connect to this powerline ethernet using cat 6 cable and you will have IPTV and your Fibre broadband router all in your TV console (Fibre broadband router still connect to the Data outlet near your TV console

 

This powerline ethernet adapters should meet your IPTV need

http://www.tp-link.sg/products/details/cat-18_TL-PA7020P-KIT.html

Senior Commentator

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3 Messages

5 y ago

Hi Winston,

 

Wow you sound like you have quite extensive knowledge in networking terms.  Anyway a quick question based on this diagram - https://www.starhub.com/personal/tv/set-top-boxes/fibre-tv.html, about the IP switch connecting to a Data Point in the bedroom - i supposed they mean a RJ45 faceplate in the bedroom.  So if this is not there (mine HDB is older type, not wired with RJ45 for whole house), that means have to lay a LAN cable from the IP Switch to the bedroom?  Would it be possible to use those Home Plug type to extend network from this IP Switch to the bedroom Fibre TV Set top box?  Have done my reno about 7 years back and the designer is so creative to hide all the cable and trunking, i dont want to spoil the look.

WinstonK

Honored Contributor

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25 Messages

5 y ago

Yes you can use Powerline Ethernet (aka Home Plug) or lay LAN cable all the way to your bedroom

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